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Offline Ian

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« on: June 01, 2004, 04:32:45 PM »
Hi,

Is it best to leave a Cocker Spaniel in the house during the day when we are at work or would it be better to leave him outside in a kennel (we have a big garden which is secure).  He is 8 months old and I have no problem in leaving him in the house as he is fully house trained but I want what is best for him.

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« Reply #1 on: June 01, 2004, 04:35:49 PM »
Definitely in the house.  If he's outside lots of things could happen - he could be stolen, he could find things to bark at & make your neighbours complain for example.  How long do you leave him?  At 8 months of age, he shouldn't be left for long periods on his own.                    

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« Reply #2 on: June 01, 2004, 04:39:06 PM »
Up until now I go home at lunchtime but cannot continue to do so, he is on his own from 08:30 till 12:45 and then from 13:15 until 17:00. He gets to walks a day and a lot of attention when we are there.                    
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« Reply #3 on: June 01, 2004, 04:47:23 PM »
Are you planning on leaving him from 8.30 - 17.00? Has he been left that long before, as i uspect if not, you may find his house trianing is not as good as you thought, i think he can hold himself, that long, but after sleeping all n ight , its unlikely he will want to sleep all day, and this means he will play, and possiblily do some damage to your house, the more he moves the more he will want to go to the toilet. He may become distructive. Why don't you try leaving him a bit longer each  week. Like 8.30 - 13 then till 13.30 then to 2, etc... To get him used to it gradually.

Its not ideal for them to be left along for so long, but if there is nothing else you can do i would suggest doing it gradually... Is there anyone that can just pop in whilst you change the routine, that way you don't have to come home.

I feel guilty for leaving jazz for 4 hours, and lmake sure she gets a good run before i leave her, so she can rest, whilst i am out.

do you leave them in a crate or with the run of the house?

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« Reply #4 on: June 01, 2004, 05:04:42 PM »
That's an awful long time for a puppy to be left if you're planning on leaving him from 08:30 to 17:00.  Mine are 5 & 12 years old but I wouldn't leave them for that long.  Isn't there some way you can carry on going home for lunch?  I work full time but I always go home at lunchtime. It's sometimes a bind & it means I can't go out with others from the office when it's a birthday or something, but my dogs come first.                    

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« Reply #5 on: June 01, 2004, 05:04:51 PM »
He is left in the kitchen with the TV on. The kitchen is pretty big so he can run around a bit. He has not been that destructive really, he had a bit of a chew on the door frames but stopped that after a few days. I was thinking of getting a dog walker for 2 or 3 days a week (depending on cost!). Do you think that is a good idea and if so where will I be able to get one?                    
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« Reply #6 on: June 01, 2004, 05:26:43 PM »
Hi Ian,

I have to agree with the others, I don't think it's very fair to leave a puppy inside or out for that length time, they could develop anti-social habits that are not easy to rectify.

The dog walker sounds like a good idea, if this is going to be too expensive how about a nice neighbour or a relative popping in to see to him.

It's sometimes easy to forget that dogs are pack animals and they need to be with their humans!

I don't mean to sound harsh but I can't imagine leaving my two outside all day, I think they would die of a broken heart :?


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« Reply #7 on: June 01, 2004, 05:36:27 PM »
where abouts in the country are you?

i know of some in my area, but i live in Luton. If you give me your area, ill see what i can findout for you.

I leave Jazz for part of the day, but once a week, i take her to doggy day care, where the lady only charges 10£ for he whole day from 7.30 to 6.00. This gives Jazz a full day of playing and socialising with children and all types and sizes of other dogs.

I think £10.00 is well worth the money as she has such fun, and stops me feeling guilty about leaving whilst i am a work.                    
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« Reply #8 on: June 01, 2004, 05:44:48 PM »
If you've got no other option a dog walker would be a good idea, but at only 8 months old, he really needs his family. Sorry to sound nosey but if you've managed to go home at lunchtime up to now, why can't you carry on doing it? Alternatively if you have neighbours or relatives living nearby who could pop in from time to time, that would be better than leaving him all day.                    

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« Reply #9 on: June 01, 2004, 06:34:21 PM »
Can't understand why you have posted on here asking advice on where you should leave your 8month old puppy either inside or outside from 8.30 till 5 o'clock(eventually) and then expect some good advice is it to ease your conscience? what about the puppy and when he/she starts 'acting up'and eventually destroying your house etc through sheer boredom and lack of  company you start going on about the cost of dog sitters :!:  sorry if you don't like this but I'm giving it to you straight as I see it unless you can explain yourself a bit better we are all pushed for time but can I ask why you have this little pup in the first place :?:
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« Reply #10 on: June 01, 2004, 07:06:33 PM »
I think thats a little harsh, peoples curcumstances change, and although its not ideal, sometimes these things happen.  

I think it shows some responsibility in taking the time to ask for advice.
I do not think its the best curcumstance, but if the puppy gets good walks in the morning and evening, and time to play, with lots of love then there are alot worse situations out there.

M mum and dad used to have a golden retriver whilst i was growing up and she was left in the kitchen form 8.00 - 4, from one year old . She was walked well in the morning, and again in the evening, she was very well behaved, playful, and very loving, she lived until she was 16 years old, died of old age.  

The doggy day care works great for me, maybe you could find the same thing a couple of days a week, and even if you can't get back every lunch time, you may be able to work something out for most of the week. Like I sadi before Private mail me if you want where you live and ill see if i can help.

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« Reply #11 on: June 01, 2004, 07:27:00 PM »
Hi Ian,

It's difficult leaving a young dog alone during the day
We have 2 cockers, one at 16months and a second at 5months.
With Millie when we first left her she started chewing things, first the bathroom mat, then the contents of the bathroom bin, then the wallpaper, skirting board and plasterboard .. :roll:
Eventually we decided to lock her in the kitchen where she didn't chew anything - she was also house trained at an early age, with very few accidents from the age of 16 weeks, which meant that we could leaave her during the day, for 4 hours at a time with an hour at home for a a run and then another 4 hours in the afternoon. My mum would pop in every other day in the morning when she was working in the area and have a play with her / let her out. Then some afternoons, particulalry if we knew we would be working late she went to my mums.

With Jenni though, we can't leave her for longer than 3 hours alone because she simply won't hold her pees/poos - if she's not in her crate she just messes on the floor ... but she isn't destructuive (yet! touch wood!! :lol:)

So you see it is very difficult to gauge how your cocker will react to being left on his own for a longer period of time.
I have to admit that if we know we aren't going to be able to get home, or if we go out for the day but can't take the girls, we arrange for my mum to come down for an hour so that they aren't alone for longer than 4 /5 hours

I liked that idea that someone had for gradually increasing the amount of time he is on his own for, to gradually get him used to it.
But you need to appreciate that a dog who is left alone and expected to sleep for 8 hours during the day, and then expeced to sleep for 8 hours at night as well is going to be full of beans.
Perhaps a long walk in the morning would help settle him down during the day, and then another at night when you get home.
Make sure you leave him plenty of things to stimulate him during the day so that he isn't attracted to you kitchen cupboads ;) things like kongs stuffed with treats / peanut butter / jam/ frozen gravy (this is fun, make sure you use proper kongs though not imitations and stuff the little hole in the thin end with bread to stop the gravy running out when as it thaws, fill with gravy and whack in the freezer - guaranteed to entertain for ages! :) ) Perhaps a ball whichs drops out kibble when rolled so he has to play to get the food .. and toys, but nothing he could chocke on.
Of course if someone can pop in a couple of times during the day (do you have any 'dog walking friends') or for an hour or so thats great - doggy day care sounds great, all that socialisation!

I think he will be quite sad for the first few weeks, and will be very very glad to see you, but he will adjust if he has too. Just make sure you are aware of the extra 'work' he will be because of being left alone and that you do the most you can for him during the day.
What ever you do it needs to be what is best for him - remember that he has feelings and emotions too - if he has been naughty when you oget home you need to remember that it's been he's lonely /distressed/bored - which ultimately is your fault (sorry to sound harsh! :) )
Make sure you do whats best for him, whatever it is - and get posting a picture in the gallery! we all wanna see him!! :)

HTH

Kel

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« Reply #12 on: June 01, 2004, 07:30:30 PM »
well everyone is entitled to there opinion that's why we have forums like this sorry Ian if I attacked you
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« Reply #13 on: June 01, 2004, 07:58:47 PM »
Edith I can totally understand your reaction  :wink:
Somehow I feel this post was written to get a reaction  :? so I'm politely not going to add anymoe than anyone else has said  :wink:                    

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« Reply #14 on: June 01, 2004, 08:17:27 PM »
Thank you Gilly I thought as much myself about the reaction thing wish that I hadn't risen to the bait now and I won't in future..lesson learnt
Edith :wink: