mine are about 8 and a half weeks now, eddie and barnaby, and they still are cadged, most of the time, apart from play time, feeding time, and obviously cuddle time, i open the cage, and say come on then, in a high pitched tone, and they follow me through the house and outside, no problems, and its going lovely, i never have laid newspaper, also at night there last drink is approx 9.00pm, and we take them up to bed after a nap, and outside to toilet at about 11.30, sometimes earlier, and they are both dry all night until 7.30am, they sleep in our bedroom alongside elmo, who is also clean at 10months old. when they are put in a cage they learn to hold for longer periods, and they have a natural instinct to keep the "nest" clean, so to begin with i feel the cage is the best method, hope this helps somehow. you will get there in the end. :wink: