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Offline Louis

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« on: November 20, 2004, 03:46:53 PM »
Hi everyone, louis has just had his yearly booster and i was talking to my mam who works in a pharmacy.  Apparently the pharmacist has a dog and she only takes her dog to the vets for a booster every 2 years!!  Does anyone else do it on a 2 yearly basis, or should it definitley be every year :D  :D

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« Reply #1 on: November 20, 2004, 05:41:53 PM »
We took all 4 of ours recently for their boosters.  The older two ages 5 & 3 only had to have the lepto booster, whereas my younger 2 who are both just over a year old had to have the full booster, but next year will only need the lepto.

My vet has agreed that they only need a full booster every 3 years.

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« Reply #2 on: November 20, 2004, 06:48:46 PM »
I know that there is a lot of discussion in the veterinary profession about this at the moment; but I am interested to know how this will effect boarding kennels.

Most require annual vaccinations, don't they?
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« Reply #3 on: November 20, 2004, 08:09:54 PM »
Yes, most kennels will expect vacc certification. However, you can do something called a titer drawn, it shows immunity/or not, and maybe will therefore be able to only booster once every 2 years, but since they are expensive (about seventy pounds at our vets) they tend to put people off doing that.
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« Reply #4 on: November 20, 2004, 09:08:22 PM »
I had one of my dogs titred and it cost £34.

I vaccinate minimally since losing Saffy to SLE - an auto immune disease that was triggered by her booster (there was no doubt about this in the opinions of the specialists who treated her ) when she was 3 years old.

Tilly has not been vaccinated since she was 2 - she is 6.
Lola has had one single Parvo jab which she reacted badly to - she had that at 7 months old, and is now 20 months old.
Hattie has had none so far but will most likely have a single Parvo in a few weeks time - she is nearly 6 months old  :o  

I do not do this out of ignorance or apathy before anyone tells me off, I do have an informed opinion - honest I do !!!  :D



 

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« Reply #5 on: November 20, 2004, 09:18:41 PM »
The vets where I work use a vaccine which the manufacturers recommend a full booster annually. Vegas has now had 2 annual boosters and Dallas has had 1 with his next one due in January. When I got Disney, I actually went down to another vets and bought a course of vaccines from them as the data sheet for that one states that a full booster is only required every 3 years, but the lepto component will be given every year. I did a lot of thinking and decided this was the safest option for my situation rather than not vaccinating at all. Of course, thats not to say that that won't change in the future as more research is done. Next year, both Vegas and Dallas will just get the lepto component rather than the full booster...much to my vets disappointment.  What with me not neutering my boys and not vaccinating my boys with their vaccination of choice, I think they may just start to despair of me :lol:  
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« Reply #6 on: November 20, 2004, 09:52:45 PM »
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I think they may just start to despair of me 

 :lol:  that sounds familiar !  actually I have a fab relationship with my vets - they all know I research everything before making any decisions, and they are more than happy to candidly discuss everything with me !   they are very open minded about me seeing a homeopathic vet, and using complementary therapies wherever possible - they don't even mind me feeding a raw diet !

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« Reply #7 on: November 20, 2004, 10:21:45 PM »
Oh, Gill - I know that feeling well,lol. All the vets seem to be on a drive to get Indie castrated, they can't see why I wouldn't, even after big talks about it :rolleyes:

 
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« Reply #8 on: November 20, 2004, 11:15:22 PM »
Hi Penel,

Welcome to COL.  I remember your name from Britbarf when I joined to get raw feeding info for my cocker Jess.  She's 15 months now and have now got another cocker blue roan called Jimmy, he's 19 weeks old and has just started having chicken wings too and he absolutely loves them :D

Hope you and your dogs are well  :D

 
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« Reply #9 on: November 21, 2004, 12:12:20 AM »
It's only if your dogs have the Intervet vaccine, all others you have to have boosters annually.

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« Reply #10 on: November 21, 2004, 08:28:48 AM »
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I vaccinate minimally since losing Saffy to SLE - an auto immune disease that was triggered by her booster (there was no doubt about this in the opinions of the specialists who treated her ) when she was 3 years old.

I do not do this out of ignorance or apathy before anyone tells me off, I do have an informed opinion - honest I do !!!  :D
Molly is due her booster this months, but after reading these posts I'm a little worried now, does she need a booster even though she had one last November?



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« Reply #11 on: November 21, 2004, 11:05:16 AM »
Which brand of vaccine is she vaccinated with - it should say on her vaccination card - as Sharon said, if its Intervet then not *all* the vaccine has to be done annually to conform with the manufacturers recommendations.

Its a very personal choice Lizzy - one I have spent ages researching.  I can give you some links to have a look at - and then you will have a lot more info which might help you to decide.  A friend had her goldie titre tested at 17 months old - he had had only one multiple vaccination at 12 wks old.  All his levels came back sky high so she knew she did not have to have him vaccinated again that year.  So titre testing is a choice - although - its complicated - it measures circulating antibodies - it does not measure memory cells.  If your dog has come into contact with the virus / disease lately, then circulating antibodies could be very high.  However, even if they are low (the titre results) it doesn't necessarily mean that your dog is not immune, as the memory cells will kick into action if needs be and multiply.  I'll try and find a link to explain it better than I have !!!  you could ask your vet if they would titre test - as we said before the cost does vary tremendously.


http://www.ivis.org/advances/Infect_Dis_Ca...er_frm.asp?LA=1
As part of a minimum disease prevention program, every dog should receive CPV-2, CDV, CAV-2 and rabies vaccines at least one time at or after the age of 12 weeks (Table 2). If that were the only vaccination a dog ever received, and the products used were modified live CPV-2, CDV, CAV-2 and a 3-year killed rabies, the dog would have a >80% probability of developing immunity to those four viruses for 3 or more years..................
Coronavirus vaccines -  Although approximately 50% of practices routinely use coronavirus vaccine, most vaccine experts agree that this vaccine is not needed. Some experts consider CCV vaccines useless.
 
http://www.doglogic.com/vaccination.htm (Jean Dodds protocol)
For breeds or families of dogs susceptible to or effected with immune dysfunction, immune-mediated disease, immune-reactions associated with vaccinations, or autoimmune endocrine disease (e.g., thyroiditis, Addison's or Cushing's disease, diabetes, etc.), the following protocol is recommended:  see link for table ...
.....After 1 year, annually measure serum antibody titers against specific canine infectious agents such as distemper and parvovirus. This is especially recommended for animals previously experiencing adverse vaccine reactions or breeds at higher risk for such reactions (e.g., Weimaraner, Akita, American Eskimo, Great Dane)...........
...............I do NOT use Bordetella, corona virus, leptospirosis or Lyme vaccines unless these diseases are endemic in the local area pr specific kennel. Futhermore, the currently licensed leptospira bacterins do not contain the serovars causing the majority of clinical leptospirosis today
 
http://www.alternativevet.org/dog-diseases.htm#vaccination  - this is written by Chris Day, homeopathic vet, chairman of the BAHVS.
 
http://www.irishwolfhounds.org/vaccination.htm
 
http://www.weim.net/homeovet/English/Vaccine.htm
 
http://www.weim.net/homeovet/vaccstories.htm
 
http://www.doglogic.com/vaccineinfo.htm#news
"Dogs and cats immune systems mature fully at 6 months. If a modified live virus vaccine is given after 6 months of age, it produces an  immunity which is good for the life of the pet (ie: canine distemper, parvo, feline distemper).  If another MLV vaccine is given a year later, the antibodies from the  first vaccine neutralize the antigens of the second vaccine and there is  little or no effect.  The titer is not "boosted" nor are more memory cells induced.
 
http://www.vetinfo.com/dogvacc
 
http://www.bccc.pair.com/vaccinat.htm
 
http://www.altvetmed.com/pages/articles.html  - click on Vaccination decisions
 
http://www.itsfortheanimals.com/VACCINE1.HTM  - scroll down to find........
For example, at 14 weeks of age, less than 5% of pups would have maternally derived antibody interference with one or more components in a combination vaccine, whereas at 6 weeks of age, more than 50 % of pups would be unable to mount an active immune response to one or more components in the vaccine
 
http://www.labbies.com/immun.htm  - very good links with tons of info
 

 

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« Reply #12 on: November 21, 2004, 12:24:52 PM »
Hi Penel,

Thank you so much for your links, I am going to have a thorough read through them later on.

Molly's vet does use the intervet vacciantion, last year I did question whether she needed a booster and he said that all dogs need a booster every year and that I was putting her in danger if I didn't have her vaccinated. I didn't feel adequately knowledgeable to question him, but after reading your links, I'm sure I'll have more of an idea of what I'm talking about! ;)  



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« Reply #13 on: November 21, 2004, 03:33:04 PM »
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Molly's vet does use the intervet vacciantion, last year I did question whether she needed a booster and he said that all dogs need a booster every year and that I was putting her in danger if I didn't have her vaccinated

If that is what your vet said then I'm afraid they are wrong unless he just meant the Lepto part of the vaccine.
See the Intervet website for further info on this... and then you will really be able to discuss it !

http://www.intervet.co.uk/species_pages/dog/news.asp

"Intervet can now offer an extended duration of immunity on its canine vaccines giving proven protection against killer diseases like parvovirus, hepatitis and distemper for three years"

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« Reply #14 on: December 03, 2004, 07:55:03 PM »
I am a veterinary nurse with 5 cockers, all who have yearly vaccines with no adverse effect.  They have the full vaccine against Distemper, hepatitis, Pavovirus, Parainfluenza and leptospirosis one year and the following year they are vaccinated against Parvovirus, parainfluenza and lepto.  

In the time that I have been working at the practice (8 years) there has never been a dog that has had a reaction to a vaccine.(1 cat has).  In the past 6 months since this whole debate abou vaccines has come about we have had 4 outbreaks of Parvovirus and of the total 12 dogs we had hospitalised 6 died (4 puppies). People are being scared into not vaccinating their animals and obviously there is a small risk of an adverse reaction to any injection that is given to our dogs, but I think the risk of them being infected with some horrible disease like parvovirus is much greater, especially with dog showing and dog training classes.

If anyone has had to nurse a dog with one of these disease they would definetly vaccinate their dog! :wacko:  
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