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Re: Raw Feeding Again: and I'm not sorry!
« Reply #75 on: September 05, 2006, 10:36:53 PM »
This is breast of lamb that a friend buys from her butcher - it still has the bones in it - she pays about £1 - £1.50 for this and it weighs about 2kg.
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b141/penel/breastoflamb.jpg

then these two pics are the same thing that I get free from our butcher - you can see he leaves a lot less meat on it ...

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b141/penel/Lambribs2.jpg
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b141/penel/Lambribs.jpg

this is a chicken carcass - ie a chicken minus its legs, wings, and breasts.
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b141/penel/Chickencarcass.jpg

Annette - you could post on Britbarf and ask if there's any other butchers in your area - or I could post for you if you like.

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Re: Raw Feeding Again: and I'm not sorry!
« Reply #76 on: September 05, 2006, 10:43:24 PM »
Annette, well done for taking the plunge!!   We switched Dill to raw within a day, as he was not taking too well to Nature Diet.  (We had a brief stop at home cooked first  but that is another story)

Dill just one day had both breakfast and dinner barf (minced meat and veg for breakfast, bones for tea) and he loves it!!

In fact, had vets visit last week for annual check up and part of his vax, and vet commented on how great he looked :luv:


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Re: Raw Feeding Again: and I'm not sorry!
« Reply #77 on: September 05, 2006, 10:51:52 PM »
we 'half barf' Max well maybe about 3/4 barf, with burns for some mornings and and always meat/bones in the evening it works for us ok, its also worth shopping around to find a decent butcher as i've paid a few pounds for something another butcher has given for free.

Max has been on barf since he was 4 months and loves it, he's been so healthy on it, i had never heard of it before joining col and like many people thought i only had a choice between bakers and pedigree chum! so glad we decided to go for it never looked back.

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Re: Raw Feeding Again: and I'm not sorry!
« Reply #78 on: September 06, 2006, 11:25:28 AM »
If your butcher is ADDING to the cost of lamb for giving you bones in the meat, that's outrageous!  Any joint with bones in should cost less per lb or per kg than the equivalent cut "bone free".

Penel's piccie of the her friend's breast of lamb reminded me - ask the butcher to cut the big bones at the top, as you can see in that picture.  I didn't and spent an age with a bread knife (only thing that would work!) sawing through the breast bone.  You're basically buying one side of the rib cage with a breast of lamb.

Also - on making the switch, I just did it - no ill effects and saved faffing about.  Paddy had been on three meals a day, despite being 9 months old, because the vet thought smaller, more regular meals might help with his colitis, but I also just cut out lunch time meal at the same time. Pads was a bit confused on day one - "where's my nosh, lady?????" - but adapted within two days to two meals a day.  Books do say feed one meal (Kymythy Schultze recommends evening feeding to give them the night to digest it without strenuous exercise).  I feel mean doing that to Pads and he's happy on two meals per day.

Only other thing I'd raise from the recent posts - the Tom Wolfe and Kymythy Schultze books both advise caution when feeding raw pork.  I can't remember why - I haven't tried it and decided I don't need to.  What do the experienced BARF'ers think about pork.

Back to my recreational bones question - what can I buy that would be suitable for Pads to gnaw on for fun?  Which animal, which joint?  Any advice on asking butcher to cut it a certain way?

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« Reply #79 on: September 06, 2006, 11:36:14 AM »
Back to my recreational bones question - what can I buy that would be suitable for Pads to gnaw on for fun?  Which animal, which joint?  Any advice on asking butcher to cut it a certain way?

Denise

Ask you butcher for a beef kneecap.  (Its at the bottom of a cut called "Thick Flank or Top Rump")  This is a bone which will not splnter and will last for ages.  Dogs love em.  ;)

Only other thing I'd raise from the recent posts - the Tom Wolfe and Kymythy Schultze books both advise caution when feeding raw pork.  I can't remember why - I haven't tried it and decided I don't need to.  What do the experienced BARF'ers think about pork.


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There have been a few discussions about feeding pork.  Personally I intend to stay away from it, but some Barfers manage fine.  Have a read of this thread, from about page 3. There is a bit of a discussion surrounding food.

http://www.cockersonline.co.uk/discuss/index.php?topic=20387.msg255191#msg255191


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« Reply #80 on: September 06, 2006, 11:44:01 AM »
Lola eats raw pork every day and has done for about 18 months now, it's one of the only meats she isn't allergic to.... some dogs do find it harder to digest though so you just have to try it and see... there used to be a tapeworm issue, but that isn't relevant these days.
For cutting up meaty bones - I have a wood chopper, it's basically a v small axe - it's heavier and more efficient than a cleaver (which is what most people use), so I can easily chop through those whole pieces of lamb breast bone  :D
Mine have their non boney meal in the mornings, and their boney meal in the evenings.  Just personal choice really, no particular reason - I can't really face meaty bones in the morning  :005:

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Re: Raw Feeding Again: and I'm not sorry!
« Reply #81 on: September 06, 2006, 12:06:11 PM »
I use a cleaver and a hammer for breast of lamb but the cleaver's normally enough on it's own (just keep those fingers well out of the way!).

I do the other way round to Penel, Bella gets RMB meals first thing and then a bit of mince in the evenings. I switched it this way because she was sometimes being a tiny bit sick in the middle of the night (always 9 hours after eating) if she had RMBs in the evening. If she has them in the morning then this doesn't happen, I do make sure she has a good couple of hours' rest after eating though, don't like the thought of her running around if she has sharp little crunched up bits of bone in her tum...
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Re: Raw Feeding Again: and I'm not sorry!
« Reply #82 on: September 06, 2006, 09:01:53 PM »
'Netty fretty again!!!


Buddy had his Nature's menu stuff in his bowl in the kitchen last night and loved it. Kept going back to lick the bowl one more time.

Burns this morning and this evening I gave him 2 chicken wings and some pureed veg (about 4 ice cube sized portions). But because of the raw chicken issues, I put his bowl in the garden and let him have it there.

Now, over 2 hours later he is STILL asking us for his supper!  He doesn't seem to understand that this was his supper, thinks it was just a treat.

He has always been a hungry dog, and we increased his Burns to stop this kind of behaviour. Even so, the last 30 minutes or so were far from relaxing for any of us as he paced around, jumped up in our faces etc etc.

He's a thin but long 13kg. I gave him 2 wings because they weighed about the right amount for one meal as I have calculated it. Did I give him enough veg? Is he hungry or just trying it on? Do you think he will do like Paddy and get used to it in a few days?

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Re: Raw Feeding Again: and I'm not sorry!
« Reply #83 on: September 06, 2006, 10:05:53 PM »
Not sure how you calculate a mixed burns ad barf diet. I guess half and half weight-wise? Clive weighs less than Buddy (11.8kg) and for him 2 chicken wings is considered more of a snack than a full meal  ::) Buit I do it by weight on 3 % of his body weight and if he seems to be really starving he might get a tiny bit more, but in these early days, not much.

It doesn't seem like much food does it? But I've checked and checked the weights, so I guess Clivey will just have to get used to mealtimes being quicker than normal  :D
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Re: Raw Feeding Again: and I'm not sorry!
« Reply #84 on: September 06, 2006, 10:14:24 PM »
Karin and Saff here again - sorry just catching up with where I last left off on this thread -

Penel - thanks very much for the pics - I am printing out those of the  lamb breast and will give to my butcher  ph34r yes, it may sound bizarre but it may deter him from climbing into the freezer and hauling out yet another peice of animal I am not familiar with.........I may wait for a time of day - I think I am beginning to get a 'mad englishwoman' reputation

For those interested, I am feeding meaty pork ribs - Saff loves them and I have had no undesirable effects so far.  They do not last long with Saff, she munches away and they are gone, in a matter of minutes.  Annette - I did find that in  the first few days Saff wasn't really quite sure whether this was her meal or not, and did on a couple of occasions prowl around still looking for the usual.  This has gradually worn off - she eats with gusto then after a short while just chills outs in her basket, usually asleep.  I think thats when the food begins to make her feel that she has eaten!   I give her a none boney meal am then boney one pm, that suits us and her I think - I'm not up to the crunching in the morning if truth be known ph34r.  I find that I am not giving as much veg as I had intended, but more meaty stuff - expect  time will tell as its early days yet.  Am allways grateful for the advice on here though  :DI

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Re: Raw Feeding Again: and I'm not sorry!
« Reply #85 on: September 06, 2006, 11:16:49 PM »

He's a thin but long 13kg. I gave him 2 wings because they weighed about the right amount for one meal as I have calculated it. Did I give him enough veg? Is he hungry or just trying it on? Do you think he will do like Paddy and get used to it in a few days?

mine wouldn't eat veg on it's own like that - tbh I would just give Buddy the veg when you give him the Natures menu or mince.  You can't really mix veg with chicken wings can you ?
I would probably give Buddy 3 wings as a meal.... he'll get used to them being a meal don't worry.
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Re: Raw Feeding Again: and I'm not sorry!
« Reply #86 on: September 07, 2006, 06:46:45 AM »
I would probably give Buddy 3 wings as a meal.... he'll get used to them being a meal don't worry.


I give Molo three wings for a meal - and as Penel says, I reserve his veggies for when he has mince or a tin of fish  ;)

I do understand what you are going through though - I worried endlessly when I first BARF'd  ph34r
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Re: Raw Feeding Again: and I'm not sorry!
« Reply #87 on: September 07, 2006, 01:43:07 PM »

  You can't really mix veg with chicken wings can you ?
I would probably give Buddy 3 wings as a meal.... he'll get used to them being a meal don't worry.
You worry too much  ;)

Thanks, I know I worry a bit, but it's hard not to be thinking about it when your lovely cocker is right in your face!!! I wasn't worried so much about nutrition, but the fact that he didn't believe me that he had been fed :005:

I understand what you are saying about the veg. But there is veg in the Natures Menu I have bought. If he will eat it like that (and he will!) then can I give it with the wings to fill him up?

On the same topic, when we give sardines, how many should I give as a meal? I am thinking of serving them with an egg on the side :005:

Also, in oil or tomato sauce? Does it matter? (Asda do very cheap ones in sauce - not that they are expensive anyway, but I like to save ££££ where I can ;)

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« Reply #88 on: September 09, 2006, 09:33:06 PM »
I give them in tomato sauce, and I'd give him a whole can for one meal.... or if you have a cat, give the cat a bit too cos a whole can might be a weeee bit much !
You can give the veg with the wings if you like - but I think it's probably unnecessary.  Is he getting used to them being a meal now  ?

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Re: Raw Feeding Again: and I'm not sorry!
« Reply #89 on: September 09, 2006, 10:05:44 PM »
Hasn't had wings since. Will be doing tomorrow evening so we will see then!

Are you serious about one can of sardines being too much? I'm getting very confused by amounts. And I think I am going to have to come clean and reveal my stupidity tomorrow when I have time to list all I'm doing here.

I was thinking 2 cans ph34r. These are only 84g cans, are you talking about bigger ones? Doh, I think I'm too stupid for all this!