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Some more musings on vaccinations...
« on: February 12, 2007, 04:26:03 PM »
Vet was reluctant to sedate Paddy.  OH & I refused to have him pinned down for blood to be taken for titre testing, so it looks as if Pads isn't getting vaccinated and I'm fine with that.

Over the past few weeks, I've been doing some more research on vaccination and have found growing amounts of (anecdotal) evidence that vaccinations can trigger irritable bowel/colitis type conditions in susceptible dogs.  I guess my musings on vaccines are...that Paddy's colitis kicked off after his puppy vaccinations and his breeder has never had it before in her litters, so I'm beginning to wonder if the vaccines triggered it.  No definitive answers to be found, I guess.

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Re: Some more musings on vaccinations...
« Reply #1 on: February 12, 2007, 04:39:50 PM »
They are finding out so much more about vaccinations for both pets and humans that is very alarming, but as you say, anecdotal so not all the medical and veterinary community is on board with this yet.

Interesting about the colitis. When I worked for a veterinary hospital we used to see all sorts of different problems tht would present not too long after vaccination, but at that time no one was putting together 2 and 2.

The other night I was listening to a radio program on natural health for humans, the doctor was sayiing the rates of autism in children is now 1 in every 150 children. In the '50s and '60s before vaccines were common or required the rate was 1 in 100,000. :huh:
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Re: Some more musings on vaccinations...
« Reply #2 on: February 12, 2007, 04:46:59 PM »
i know you have researched and thought long and hard about this denise, and for what it's worth, i think in paddy's case it is definitely the right decision.  We will try and titre test jarv in august, but i'm wavering now and may follow your path  ;)



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Re: Some more musings on vaccinations...
« Reply #3 on: February 12, 2007, 04:50:03 PM »
They are finding out so much more about vaccinations for both pets and humans that is very alarming, but as you say, anecdotal so not all the medical and veterinary community is on board with this yet.

Interesting about the colitis. When I worked for a veterinary hospital we used to see all sorts of different problems tht would present not too long after vaccination, but at that time no one was putting together 2 and 2.

The other night I was listening to a radio program on natural health for humans, the doctor was sayiing the rates of autism in children is now 1 in every 150 children. In the '50s and '60s before vaccines were common or required the rate was 1 in 100,000. :huh:

The thing is that without medical research then it is just anecdotal :(  In the case of autism in children, then there are so many more factors to be considered - better diagnosis for one  :-\ The number of children who died or were left permanently disabled from measles and other complications also has to be considered alongside the risk of autism although that is not much comfort for an individual family effected by autism, I know  :-\

Similarly, the number of dogs that contracted parvo and other nasties even a generation ago was far more than now-a-days; I remember litters of puppies being lost to the disease; it was a fact of life :(

Further research is definitely the way forward, and hopefully, with companies such as Intervet finally investing money into research, then slowly, things will change  :-\

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Re: Some more musings on vaccinations...
« Reply #4 on: February 12, 2007, 04:58:49 PM »
My vet will not titre test Alfie this year and is pretty much insisting that he gets his vaccinations. They are his first set of boosters since his puppy vaccs and the vet has said that they are extremely important. He said we can then titre test next year if that's what I want to do. I will probably get him these boosters then reassess next year.
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Re: Some more musings on vaccinations...
« Reply #5 on: February 12, 2007, 05:34:15 PM »
my only problem i have found since deciding not to give paddy his booster is that i could really do with putting paddy in boarding kennels atm because of ellies season but they won't have him because his jabs are out of date >:D he was supposed to go to daughters but she sent him back because he thought 2 pairs of her designer boots looked like very tasty treats >:D >:D it is awful here atm and i wouldn't wish it on anybody.

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Re: Some more musings on vaccinations...
« Reply #6 on: February 12, 2007, 05:59:00 PM »
Denise I definitely do not think you should vaccinate Paddy.  It's taken so long to get him right,you could really put a spanner in the works if you do the vaccs... remember they don't vaccinate unless 100% healthy...

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Re: Some more musings on vaccinations...
« Reply #7 on: February 12, 2007, 06:42:57 PM »
I'm afraid I have known a few dogs who have become ill within a few days of having their boosters.... Which is why my dogs don't get them.

My last vet told me that Cockers are a breed that shouldn't have their innoculations before they are 10 weeks old because they have a very sensitive immune system, this was a couple of years before I had Tia, but I remembered it, so she went for her first injection at 11 weeks. My daughters Cocker had her first one at 8 weeks at the breeders... She was a week prem so I would never have done it, she has what is possibly dry eye in her one eye. Our vet says it looks as if her immune system attacked her one eye for some reason, well I put that reason down to her having her injection too soon, rightly or wrongly, but her eye problem started just after her first innoculation!

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Re: Some more musings on vaccinations...
« Reply #8 on: February 12, 2007, 06:52:32 PM »
I don't know much on the subject and we've had Charlie done just like our others. I'm glad we did as a dog that attends the same traning class as us was diagnosed with parvo recently.

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Re: Some more musings on vaccinations...
« Reply #9 on: February 12, 2007, 06:55:23 PM »
I'm glad we did as a dog that attends the same traning class as us was diagnosed with parvo recently.

It is definitely on the comeback, possibly as a result of a downturn in vaccination - one of the reasons I prefer training classes that insist in vaccination is for this reason  :-\
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Re: Some more musings on vaccinations...
« Reply #10 on: February 12, 2007, 07:18:12 PM »
I'm glad we did as a dog that attends the same traning class as us was diagnosed with parvo recently.

It is definitely on the comeback, possibly as a result of a downturn in vaccination - one of the reasons I prefer training classes that insist in vaccination is for this reason  :-\

I'm going to talk to the trainer about it this week as she did check that Charlie was up to date when we joined, and says its her policy that they must all be vaccinated  :huh:

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Re: Some more musings on vaccinations...
« Reply #11 on: February 12, 2007, 07:24:19 PM »
I'm glad we did as a dog that attends the same traning class as us was diagnosed with parvo recently.

It is definitely on the comeback, possibly as a result of a downturn in vaccination - one of the reasons I prefer training classes that insist in vaccination is for this reason  :-\

is there a downturn in vaccination?  or is that based on the threads on col?
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Re: Some more musings on vaccinations...
« Reply #12 on: February 12, 2007, 07:24:26 PM »
They are finding out so much more about vaccinations for both pets and humans that is very alarming, but as you say, anecdotal so not all the medical and veterinary community is on board with this yet.

Interesting about the colitis. When I worked for a veterinary hospital we used to see all sorts of different problems tht would present not too long after vaccination, but at that time no one was putting together 2 and 2.

The other night I was listening to a radio program on natural health for humans, the doctor was sayiing the rates of autism in children is now 1 in every 150 children. In the '50s and '60s before vaccines were common or required the rate was 1 in 100,000. :huh:

It may be of course, that autism is just better diagnosed nowadays
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Re: Some more musings on vaccinations...
« Reply #13 on: February 12, 2007, 07:28:03 PM »
I'm glad we did as a dog that attends the same traning class as us was diagnosed with parvo recently.

It is definitely on the comeback, possibly as a result of a downturn in vaccination - one of the reasons I prefer training classes that insist in vaccination is for this reason  :-\

what do you base this opinion on ? ::)

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Re: Some more musings on vaccinations...
« Reply #14 on: February 12, 2007, 07:31:21 PM »
I'm glad we did as a dog that attends the same traning class as us was diagnosed with parvo recently.

It is definitely on the comeback, possibly as a result of a downturn in vaccination - one of the reasons I prefer training classes that insist in vaccination is for this reason  :-\

is there a downturn in vaccination?  or is that based on the threads on col?

I'm glad we did as a dog that attends the same traning class as us was diagnosed with parvo recently.

It is definitely on the comeback, possibly as a result of a downturn in vaccination - one of the reasons I prefer training classes that insist in vaccination is for this reason  :-\

what do you base this opinion on ? ::)

There have been a number of articles published recently that state that there has been a decrease in the uptake of vaccination - when I get back from agility, I'll hunt them out  ;)
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