New Puppy!!!!

[anleigh]

hello i wonder if anyone could help us? we have had a new puppy for 9 days now, she is a show cocker and she is 9 weeks old. She is a lovely puppy but we are in the process of toilet training her!! day time is ok-ish! but nights!! well what can i say? she has a crate and she goes in there no problem but she poo's in it every night despite us not feeding her after 1700, letting her out last minute before we go to bed etc we understand she is only a pup so are not too stresssed....yet!!
any tips..please?


Our thoughts are still with jo and arwen

[clg79]

I guess it just takes time. Do the obvious things like making a big fuss of her when she does do it outside and hopefully as she gets older she will be able to hold it in for longer. When Dave was a puppy he was fairly good but he had a few relapses... How is she during the day?
I was also just reading another post where they suggested that if the crate is too big for a small puppy she may see it as one half bed, one half toilet- dogs rarely poo in their beds so maybe this could be the problem. The other post suggested partitioning the cage whilst she is growing. It makes sense- I think Dave's crate was too big for him when he was tiny.

Good luck!

[anleigh]

thank you for that we have reduced the size of honey's crate after about 2 nights but still no joy, she is not great in the day but i think perhaps i am being a bit impatient she still is only a baby isnt she....mind you i think a baby is far easier!!!!!

[anleigh]

another thing ....can anyone answer me honestly how long will it take to really toilet train 'honey'?  ta x

[Sian P]

another thing ....can anyone answer me honestly how long will it take to really toilet train 'honey'?  ta x

How long is a piece of string?!!! Depends on the individual dog, how much training you put in etc. The only sure thing is it does get easier and the early weeks are over before you realise. And by the way I mean it could take weeks or months rather than days if that's what you mean!!

[cdpops]

No help here just wanted to sy Honey is   

[*sammy*]

honey is lovely.

i fed sam his last meal later to help with toilet training. so he was needed to go when we were getting up raher than in the night IYSWIM.

it took us until sam was about 9 months to say7 he was housetrained. it was a very slllloooooooooooowww process!!!

[Clover]

What time does she go to bed ? Do you get up to her in night to let her out ? 

[Gunner]

Gunner is 15 weeks now and he has his last feed at 8pm and he always has a poo before he goes to bed 11pm 

During the day i'm still taking him out every 1/2 hour ish sometimes he askes to go out but other times he just does his wee where he is  we only have 3 or 4 accidents a week which i think is pretty good for his age proberly my fault for not paying attention 

Good luck with Honey she's loverly 

[anleigh]

Oh my!! i have got a long few months then!!!! the breeder advised us not to go down and let honey out during the night as she would think this is normal and grow up needing to go out in the night. we give her her tea at the same time we eat so its a family thing this is about 1700, we read in one of the books (the ones alll new 1st puppy parents buy??!!) that dont feed them after 1700 cause of pooing in the night! we are in a bit of a pickle!! we would rather take practical advice than from a book though!! thank you all for your lovely comments about honey she is very lovely we are very proud of her!! 

[*Theresa*]

Although I can see where your breeder is coming from I have to disagree as we got up with Glen in the night usually around two and let him out in the garden so he could do any business while he was a puppy but only for the first few months until he got to the stage where he was going out and looking at me or forcing out a tiny pee so he could get a treat. He is a year and a half now and he has not been let out in the night now for about a year and he does not expect it.

Glen was toilet trained by about 6 months but we still had the very occasional accident up until he was about a year, by occasional I mean one every couple of weeks if we got distracted and didn't notice his signs.

Hope this helps 

[Karma]

Is Honey's crate closed or open?  It's just I'm fairly sure that, if closed, you will need to get up at regular intervals through the night initially, as a puppies bladder will not hold out  - if she has no option but to go in her crate, then she will go in her crate.  The general advice is closing the crate is get up every couple of hours, let them out (no play, no excitement) and straight back in once they have performed... then you gradually increase the intervals between loo breaks (eg, start at every 2 hours, then every 2 1/2 and so on...).
The breeders advice is based more on attention whining, which you shouldn't respond to. 

This method will generally give a faster house-training result than paper training (where crate is open, and paper is down for any necessities), so it depends whether you want a faster, but more labour-intensive result.... (I must admit we went for the paper option, as we knew we would be rubbish after a couple of days getting up through the night!!!). 

[Cazzie]

Oh my!! i have got a long few months then!!!! the breeder advised us not to go down and let honey out during the night as she would think this is normal and grow up needing to go out in the night. we give her her tea at the same time we eat so its a family thing this is about 1700, we read in one of the books (the ones alll new 1st puppy parents buy??!!) that dont feed them after 1700 cause of pooing in the night! we are in a bit of a pickle!! we would rather take practical advice than from a book though!! thank you all for your lovely comments about honey she is very lovely we are very proud of her!! 

Hi there  

If it was me, I would most deff be going down to let your puppy out during the night if you hear her.   I would also not stop feeding my pup after a certain time of night so that they didnt poop in the crate. Pups of that age need 4 meals a day with at least 4 hours gap between so unless you feed your dog at 6am then you are going to have to feed after 5pm at night. Also for a wee one its a long time from 5pm till the next day without a meal  

This stage does not go on forever but is a lot of work in the first few months but its all part and parcel of looking after a new baby and is a commitment from you to make sure that your pups every need is met   There are unfortunatley no shortcuts that you can take  

[Clover]

Yep, you need to get up in the night (if crate is shut) , don't worry that this will be a habit, as long as you go to them, no interaction, just pop them out into the garden, wee, poohs, once done, pop back in crate, you may need to get up a couple of times, our routine was:

To bed at 11 ish, set alarm for 2ish, then for around 5 ish, and gradually setting alarm 10 mins later, within about 3 - 4 weeks it was all running smoothly and dropped the two night times and went to bed at 11 and woke her up around 6. It does work.  As others have said, she's bound to mess the crate if she has no other option. 

[anleigh]

thank you everone for all your sound advice! it all makes a lot of sense. tonight we have given her her 4th feed at 1800 and she will go to bed about 2230-2300 unfortunatly i am working tonight and thurs night so hubby will have to set the alarm!!
once again thanks again