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Offline Oliver21508

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How to teach them to stack
« on: January 06, 2009, 10:03:23 PM »
Hiya

How do you teach a dog to stack?



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Re: How to teach them to stack
« Reply #1 on: January 06, 2009, 10:14:04 PM »
What I do with Tally is place his front feet first and then his back feet and then hold his head and tail. He is very good at just standing there tho. Other people may have special techniques as I am new to all this myself. My problem with Tally is getting him to trot properly in the ring and show himself off well. When he does he's great, but not consistant. Prob my fault.
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Re: How to teach them to stack
« Reply #2 on: January 06, 2009, 10:22:34 PM »
Do you give a command to it, or just expect them to stand there?



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Re: How to teach them to stack
« Reply #3 on: January 06, 2009, 10:29:08 PM »
What I do with Tally is place his front feet first and then his back feet and then hold his head and tail. He is very good at just standing there tho. Other people may have special techniques as I am new to all this myself. My problem with Tally is getting him to trot properly in the ring and show himself off well. When he does he's great, but not consistant. Prob my fault.

Everyone has their own methods and order to how they stack but mines not too far off yours, i also adv that you watch other handlers of all levels, look at those that you feel present their dogs to its best.....and then practice, but don't over do it at the same time, personally a would give a brief couple of minute practice daily to my pups, just get them generally where they need to be , whilst always saying 'stand' gentle and good boy/girl and then treat them.  I also adv that if you have got an old mirror hanging around......ok i know not everyone does but they can be quite cheap from second hand shops.....that you practice stacking in front of this that way you can see what you do and how that would look from the judges point of view

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Re: How to teach them to stack
« Reply #4 on: January 06, 2009, 10:34:08 PM »
Someone at ringcraft is using clicker training to stack their dogs.  Big dogs that free stand but the method is the same.  Still trying to get the "click to win" stuff from Karen Pryors website but although I've paid, not yet got them to download  >:(

I like the idea of mirror, think I have one in loft somewhere   ;)

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Re: How to teach them to stack
« Reply #5 on: January 06, 2009, 10:43:55 PM »
We use a mirror as well and it is very helpful. I use Stand yes and lots of praise. We went to a weekly Ringcraft class for ages before we started showing and still do. I would highly reccommend it as we met lots of helpful people learned all about it and it got us both used to the sort of environment of showing as well, as in waiting around for your turn and mingling with lots of dogs calmly. Which Tally is ok with, but always keen to beat his sisters up when he gets home.  :005:
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Re: How to teach them to stack
« Reply #6 on: January 07, 2009, 05:25:12 AM »
If you breed your babies you can teach them from a very early age - we start them at about 3 weeks old to stand 4-square on a non slip surface, then progress to balancing on our knees whilst we are seated through to free stand before they get fed.  Food is such a great motivator for cockers!
The adults have David doing a regular practise, even when they are in the park free running, we pop them onto a show lead, do a triangle and a 'stack' then praise and reward.

I go to weekly ringcraft training as well, but the cockers are the only 'hard stacking' dogs there - that is,  the other breeds walk up to a free stand and the lead is held above the head and sometimes not even a tail is held , so it's hard to learn if no other 'stacked' breed is there. 

What I did pick up from ringcraft is a set of 'show stackers' an ingenous device with four pillars with each pillar only as broad as a cockers foot.  Each pillar is on a movebale track (that is an X of 2 pieces of metal) so this can be set up for each dog.  As each dog is off the ground by a few inches and sometimes on the table - using the 'show stackers' requires 2 people and the dog must be held, but it's good for training those that 'post' or 'A frame' or fidget.  'Show stackers are available in Australia from Chinaroad Lowchens - there might be something similar in the UK.

It's also useful getting your dog used to having it's head/ mouth held whilst not stacking the rest of them, so they get the idea of you controlling their head.  Tjhere are a few ways of holding heads, including fingers in mouth, finger across the nose etc so watch at the show ring and ask people, as well as see what suits your dog - I have one girl who does back flips if I put the finger inside the flew/ lips !

The mirror is great - I also use it for final grooming and shaping of their coat
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Re: How to teach them to stack
« Reply #7 on: January 07, 2009, 07:24:25 AM »
I have at long last received the download chapters of "click to win" including the chapter on stacking small dogs.


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Re: How to teach them to stack
« Reply #8 on: January 07, 2009, 09:56:00 AM »
I only wish I had planned to show when Morgana had the pups as I could have started from birth then as well, but had never really thought about it. Then Mr Tally was born and even though not an expereinced shower I could see how handsome he was just from my love of cockers.( not at all biast  :005: ) I asked advice from people in the no and they agreed that he had potential, but were concerned he wouldn't be big enough. He is now 15 1/2" at 10 mths and I am hoping he has now stopped growing as he is now filling out and at last growing some hair after loosing his puppy coat. I have been to a few shows now and am loving it even though stressful at times. I may look into the Click to win Download as it may well be helpful to me also. would it help with his trotting in the show ring.
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Re: How to teach them to stack
« Reply #9 on: January 07, 2009, 12:35:21 PM »
How do you measure your dog's height accurately as he's always moving about? I'm worried he's too tall already.



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Re: How to teach them to stack
« Reply #10 on: January 07, 2009, 12:46:35 PM »
All we do is stand him against a wall and put the ruler across his shoulders, then move him away and measure from floor to mark. Breed standard is Boys 15 1/2" - 16" and Girls 15" - 15 1/2".  I think you can still show them if to big or small it's just classed as a fault in the Breed Standard is all. After all this only matters in the show ring. I bet your dog is perfect just like mine.  ;)
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Re: How to teach them to stack
« Reply #11 on: January 07, 2009, 01:33:09 PM »
If it is a pup I've bred myself I start from about 5/6 weeks of age, and if it is one I've brought in I start the day after they've arrived.

I think one of the most important things to do when teaching a puppy/dog to stand is to always end before they break the stand themselves. So, it might mean stacking them for literally a split second to start with and building it up from there. Like all training it is best to end on a good note with lots of praise  ;) :D



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Re: How to teach them to stack
« Reply #12 on: January 07, 2009, 05:26:49 PM »
I measured Ollie at 16". He's only 7 months so I'm sure he's still got more to grow. Will this mean I can't show, or he'll be put down the order in the show?