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Re: Flo's got bladder stones
« Reply #15 on: August 07, 2012, 11:08:26 AM »
Picked up my girl mid morning, the vet had called at 8am to let me know she went well during the night.  She's home and sleeping alot, in recovery.  Vet said she would have ( pre op) been in alot of discomfort .... Well she's a resilient girl because no whinges at all in the last week.  The stone was quite big and now sent off for analysis to find the chemistry of it and then work out the cause and preventatives.  Either way she will have to be on a special diet for entirety, but not tricky to do.  Vet said that although a rather common condition, he had never treated a dog as young as Flo for it  :-\

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Re: Flo's got bladder stones
« Reply #16 on: August 07, 2012, 11:12:12 AM »
Oh so pleased to read she's
at home :D and we hope she
has a swift , uneventful recovery
period.
Thanks for the update Clare :D
Big gentle squeezes for a sleepy
girl :luv:
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« Reply #17 on: August 07, 2012, 11:40:04 AM »
So glad that Flo is back home where she belongs.  Sending positive healing thoughts and wishing her a speedy recovery.



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Re: Flo's got bladder stones
« Reply #18 on: August 07, 2012, 04:41:50 PM »


Glad Flo is home with you.  Dylan had a urine infection and stryvite cystals  a good few years ago.  Since then he has always had filtered water to drink, we live in a hard water area.  When you come to the UK it might be worth getting in touch with Burns Dog food. They do some of there dog foods that can be used instead of the vets prescription diets and a lot cheaper.


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« Reply #19 on: August 07, 2012, 04:49:41 PM »
So glad your girl is home safe and sound :) Hope she heals up really quickly and is back to her old self soon!

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« Reply #20 on: August 07, 2012, 07:06:18 PM »
so glad she's home safe ... fingers crossed for a speedy recovery and lots of hugs for you x
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Re: Flo's got bladder stones
« Reply #21 on: August 08, 2012, 01:53:50 AM »


Glad Flo is home with you.  Dylan had a urine infection and stryvite cystals  a good few years ago.  Since then he has always had filtered water to drink, we live in a hard water area.  When you come to the UK it might be worth getting in touch with Burns Dog food. They do some of there dog foods that can be used instead of the vets prescription diets and a lot cheaper.


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Thanks Erica, thats handy to know.  The vet strongly suspects they are stryvite crystals.  Has Dylan only had one episode with them? 
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Re: Flo's got bladder stones
« Reply #22 on: August 08, 2012, 08:37:51 AM »


Yes,  thankfully, but do watch his diet.   How is Flo today?

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Re: Flo's got bladder stones
« Reply #23 on: August 08, 2012, 11:46:04 AM »


Yes,  thankfully, but do watch his diet.   How is Flo today?

Erica.
Good to hear Dylans diet has stopped any further occurrence , that's heartening to know.  Flo is doing well and obviously feeling much better as she just did a wall of death around the living room.... Missing her walks I think  :lol2:

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« Reply #24 on: August 08, 2012, 11:57:04 AM »
Pleased that she is on the road to recovery :luv:
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Re: Flo's got bladder stones
« Reply #25 on: August 09, 2012, 05:35:26 PM »
Hi Hope Flo is recovering.

Just to say that Chilli (our almost 2 yr old male) was partially diagnosed with a similar oxalate crystal problem, but thankfully no stones.

Weirdly, I have actually read somewhere that cockers have lower incidence of stones than other breeds. The vet actually recommended trying Burns or Chappie first, as an alternative to the vets prescription urinary diets (when you look at the contents they are fairly similar). And also said that it's not always necessary to keep them on the diet for perpetuity, especially in a young dog. 

Our vet at first tried to suggest that dietary protein was the cause and then when we pointed out that the 20% protein in his CSJ was not overly high, and nor were the other components all that differnet to the prescription diet, then suggested that the type of protein might also influence the condition. Having done some research, and spoken to colleagues who are hospital consultants, I'm personally pretty sceptical about any evidence for the dietary influence on the development of such conditions. I think it's fair to say that this is not an area of evidence based practice for many vets. Nonetheless we are trying Chili on the Burns diet and cutting out other treats like cheese for the time being.

Funnily enough, when I spoke to one colleague she said that these type of urinary conditions in humans are rarely dietary and often resolve in a month or so...that's the exact same time frame as the vet reckoned the diet would need to take effect.  ;)

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Re: Flo's got bladder stones
« Reply #26 on: August 10, 2012, 07:41:36 AM »
Hi Hope Flo is recovering.

Just to say that Chilli (our almost 2 yr old male) was partially diagnosed with a similar oxalate crystal problem, but thankfully no stones.

Weirdly, I have actually read somewhere that cockers have lower incidence of stones than other breeds. The vet actually recommended trying Burns or Chappie first, as an alternative to the vets prescription urinary diets (when you look at the contents they are fairly similar). And also said that it's not always necessary to keep them on the diet for perpetuity, especially in a young dog. 

Our vet at first tried to suggest that dietary protein was the cause and then when we pointed out that the 20% protein in his CSJ was not overly high, and nor were the other components all that differnet to the prescription diet, then suggested that the type of protein might also influence the condition. Having done some research, and spoken to colleagues who are hospital consultants, I'm personally pretty sceptical about any evidence for the dietary influence on the development of such conditions. I think it's fair to say that this is not an area of evidence based practice for many vets. Nonetheless we are trying Chili on the Burns diet and cutting out other treats like cheese for the time being.

Funnily enough, when I spoke to one colleague she said that these type of urinary conditions in humans are rarely dietary and often resolve in a month or so...that's the exact same time frame as the vet reckoned the diet would need to take effect.  ;)

Yes it's interesting with all the different information, and I have been reading up a lot on the net, sometimes finding conflicting statements. My vet did mention that crystals can be dissolved with diet, but considering the size of the stone she had 1.5 cm in diameter that she would be in considerable discomfort and it would take too long to dissolve if at all, and if not quickly removed would keep causing scraps and
possible further infection to the bladder.  From what was explained to me was that the oxalate crystals and styrvite crystals although both treated with diet have completely opposite dietry requirements as their formation is from opposite balances of acid and alkaline  with the styrvite crystals forming from too much alkaline in the bladder often due to a bladder infection.  Anyway all rather confusing but I'm working on getting my head around it and gathering as much info as possible.  Thank you for your findings and thoughts above.