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Offline Curtisio

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« on: June 07, 2005, 02:05:53 PM »
I may be way off the mark...

are there already two official cocker breeds (the KC only showing one?) or if not how far away are we from the Cocker breed being officially split into two sub-breeds, working and show...


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« Reply #1 on: June 07, 2005, 03:55:27 PM »
Think this subject was discussed not long ago but can't find the thread at the moment. All Cockers whether working type or show type are registered as Cockers by the Kennel Club - there is no distinction as far as registration is concerned. The breed has developed into 2 distinct types over a period of decades so it's not happened recently but I personally cannot see the breed ever being officially divided into two separate sub-breeds, not anytime soon anyway :) The same thing has also happened in a number of other breeds eg English Springers, Labradors, English Setters, Golden Retrievers where the show type often differ radically from the working type.

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« Reply #2 on: June 07, 2005, 05:25:42 PM »
Can I ask a question (she says playing devils advocate  ;)  :) )
Can you show 'working' cockers? If not whats the reason? - not that I'm thinking about showing, just interested  :)  
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« Reply #3 on: June 07, 2005, 05:40:29 PM »
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Can I ask a question (she says playing devils advocate  ;)  :) )
Can you show 'working' cockers? If not whats the reason? - not that I'm thinking about showing, just interested  :) 
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In theory there is nothing to stop anyone showing a Working Cocker & you do see the occasional Working Cocker shown in the Field Trial Class at Crufts but generally a Working Cocker would not do well at shows since most breeders of this type are not really aiming to breed to the Breed Standard but are looking for working ability.

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« Reply #4 on: June 07, 2005, 06:10:57 PM »
That makes sense, thanks for the reply Jane.  :D
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« Reply #5 on: June 07, 2005, 08:13:40 PM »
agree - my 'working cocker' wouldn't get very far at all in a show!!

well ... perhaps the local 'cutest dog comp' or waggiest tail!!

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« Reply #6 on: June 07, 2005, 08:56:40 PM »
Neither of my 'show type' boys would excel either. :lol:

It really winds me up that whenever we watched crufts, and when we went this year, my husband, who loves dogs but thinks my obsession is a bit sad, can almost always spot a good dog, and picks most of those placed, and I always get it wrong even though I've read the breed standard and so on. (I know that doesn't qualify me as knowledgable, but I should be a darn sight better than him :rolleyes:  :lol: .)
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« Reply #7 on: June 08, 2005, 09:16:55 AM »
It always fascinates me to hear fo our European counterparts who both show and trial their (show-type) cockers. Leads me to believe that the distinction of working/show type is much more prevalent in the UK than in other countries - is that accurate?
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« Reply #8 on: June 08, 2005, 10:42:31 AM »
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Leads me to believe that the distinction of working/show type is much more prevalent in the UK than in other countries - is that accurate?
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No I don't think so, well not in Norway anyway.  My show cockers are nearly all UK breeding, and with a little bit of training they do well for a "hobby hunter" like me  :D   However if I wanted a very fast hunting dog, that would last a full day, day after day, I would go for a working type.  "All" working cockers in Norway are from UK lines, and looks the same as the working cockers in UK.  A different is, that in Norway you would not be able to buy a working type if you "just want a pet".  

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« Reply #9 on: June 08, 2005, 10:48:51 AM »
Interesting that you couldnt buy a working cocker as a pet in Norway :)

That makes sense what you said Nina. I guess the only difference then is that show-type cockers are still field-trialed at competiton in Europe, whereas they aren't really in the UK. Thank you for the info  :D
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« Reply #10 on: June 08, 2005, 11:57:38 AM »
In Dk, u wouldn't be able to buy a working cocker as a pet either. But that is only because there are so few of them. if a hunter wants a hunting dog he will buy a working springer instead. (and they are sold as pets  <_< )

Working cockers in DK look the same as UK working cockers. It is not very common to see cockers in general hunting in DK, but it is far most common to see standard cockers work.

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« Reply #11 on: June 08, 2005, 12:00:00 PM »
trouble is if you split the breed there are working x shows so what would they become, a cross breed?? they are still pedigree cockers? and in fact the cross between the show and working is becoming popular as people want agility dogs with some of the attitude of a worker but a bit of the show too :)
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« Reply #12 on: June 08, 2005, 01:04:41 PM »
Are Sprockers still being actively bred too, do you know Freya? I never quite understood the logic as I never saw a huge distinction between working springers and cockers anyway?
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« Reply #13 on: June 08, 2005, 02:37:19 PM »
If you looked at any field sports mag you would find adds for sprockers, in fact there was a lovely sprocker - called that by the announcer, competing in scottish agility show on saturday. Must admit my working springers are not like my working cocker, but then my working cocker is a big pansy so I have nothing to go by :lol:  :lol:
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« Reply #14 on: June 08, 2005, 03:00:56 PM »
One thing my working springer does which I've never seen a working cocker do, is that when we go to the woods or in a big field, she'll run off in a giant circle around me - always keeping her eye on me in the middle - must be pure instinct. Or maybe Jazz is just a weirdo :D

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