Kenzie at Many Tears

[AnnieG]

Thanks for that honeysmum and I'm sure it is very rewarding but at the same time I can understand how he feels and when at the end of the day people say to you to go to a proper breeder for your puppy etc but then we're told to help dogs in shelters... bit of a contradiction isn't it? LOL! It's not just about not supporting puppy farms its about ensuring the dogs have been bred for the right purpose and with the ex breeding bitches this cannot be guaranteed at all. 

I'm not sure I should be replying to this now.  It might be better to let the red mist clear from my eyes.    I'm glad you can 'LOL' - I'm not sure I can.  Are you seriously suggesting that - in order to maintain the purity of the breed - the worn out puppy farm brood bitches should be left to rot?  Do you honestly think that ignoring their plight would stop the p-f trade?  Of course it wouldn't - it would just bring about a return to what happened before places like MT and Lizzie's Barn started taking them on.  At the end of their useful breeding life, they were either knocked on the head and stuffed in bin bags or thrown out on hills and motorways to starve or get run over.  That left their daughters free to take over their place on the production line.  By all means trumpet to the four winds the stupidity and dangers of buying a pup from a puppy farm.  All informed dog owners should do that.  But please don't tell those of us who have chosen the difficult path of rehabilitating a spayed brood bitch that we are supporting puppy farms in doing it.  Or that we are culpable for not 'ensuring the dogs have been bred for the right purpose.' Too damn right that doesn't even figure on our horizon.  What we are trying to do is bring a tiny portion of normality and love and light and happiness to poor abused creatures while they still have some life left.  Don't do it if you don't want to.  That's fair enough - it doesn't make you either a better or a worse person.  But equally don't you dare criticize the motives of those who decide to act differently.

[Jeeves]

Having had 4 rescue dogs; two ex breeders from Many Tears, I can assure you that you will never feel more rewarded than when you take one home with you.  They are the most dear, sweet, cruelly treated and needy little fellows and the love and affection you get back from them once they come out of their shells and realise that not every human is a cruel, heartless b*****d is positively amazing.

There are so, so many dogs like Kenzie who are desperate for homes, and although they may not be the "perfect" puppy, they are a hundred times as rewarding

Personally, I would never have a dog other than one from a rescue home - just my opinion

Annie - just seen your post - I second every word of it...

[*Adele*]

I'm sorry you feel that I'm critizing you Annie!  That is certainly not the case at all and I bow down to all that take on rescue dogs! Sorry but I find your post very angry and I wasn't by any means trying to provoke such a response! In fact if my posts upset people then please delete it by all means! In fact I think once I've calmed down I will do so myself!

[Cob-Web]

I think I understand what Adele was trying to say - at least, I know that I have emphasised so much to my OH the importance of reputable breeding, and all the reasons why commercially bred puppies are more likely to be sick etc, that he then asked me why I was prepared to consider a rescue dog, because they could well have been commercially bred, and therefore more likely to have these problems 

He is quite right - but rescuing a dog is about accepting that, and being selfless enough to recognise that your time with them may be shorter, or your relationship not what you expect with a rescue dog Not everyone can always offer a rescue dog what they need; we couldn't when we got Molo and so sought a reputable breeder - but when we are in a position to rescue a dog, then I would not hesitate to do so, accepting that they come with baggage, be that medical or behavioural 

It would be lovely if P-F didn't exist, and all dogs were bred reputably, and homed to loving, suitable homes - but it doesn't happen, and never will, imo 

[Jeeves]

Lets not forget the stud dogs too - its not just the breeding bitches who have a tough time, the dogs are often treated worse than the bitches (certainly if the state of Parker was anything to go by)

[Sheryl]

I think if we get an ex breeding bitch it will be from a proper breeder

I am not sure that there will be many of these around.  Don't most reputable breeders keep their dogs regardless?  I know Kali's breeder wouldn't dream of selling any of her babies that were beyond breeding 

[*Adele*]

I don't know how many there are around Sheryl but when I mentioned to my breeder friend about getting an ex breeding bitch she told me to go to her to ask for help rather than getting one from a shelter as there are often some around that she knows of! I've seen quite a few on breeders sites before as well.

[Jeeves]

I don't know how many there are around Sheryl but when I mentioned to my breeder friend about getting an ex breeding bitch she told me to go to her to ask for help rather than getting one from a shelter as there are often some around that she knows of! I've seen quite a few on breeders sites before as well.

Hmm - not that the breeder will have any financial interest of course...

[*Adele*]

Sorry Jeeves I think "the breeder" would be slightly put out by that statement being a very experienced one who knows me and my children and is also a member of the forum! I think I'm going to leave this thread now as it's totally OT and I'm beginning to feel that as I haven't rescued a cocker I'm not able to make comments about rescued cockers! Can I just say though that I recommend to anyone who speaks to me about getting a dog, if their situation is suitable, they look at rescue dogs! Now can we stop with the bashings please? 

[Sheryl]

Oh Adele, I wasn't bashing you   Thats why I phrased my answer the way I did because I don't know what breeders do, I can only go by Kali's breeder and what I would do if it were me.  No offence meant    

[*Adele*]

Oh Adele, I wasn't bashing you   Thats why I phrased my answer the way I did because I don't know what breeders do, I can only go by Kali's breeder and what I would do if it were me.  No offence meant    

Thanks Sheryl, I don't know oodles of breeders (don't you love that word?) but I know a couple and they are VERY reputable breeders. Anyway, this is totally off topic, sorry Kenzie, my fault!  I am sure there is a very loving happy home out for you there right somewhere!

[dorrit]

Tell me if I'm wrong, but the purpose of this "Rescue Forum" is to find homes for the unfortunate cockers who find themselfs in the horror movies, that need no explanation and is the reason the are at the "Last chance Kennel" and that is what  being on COL is about.

Our job, and I mean all cocker lovers, is to make sure that what they have seen before, never happens again. Preferably, by means of being given a forever home, preferably, through COL. 

This rescue forum shouldn't be about all our procratinations and theories on cockers and what we can cope with and all the 'If only"? Or I  want a rescue but .... or we do, but....

 Forget what WE, and I include myself, feel... And start to concentrate on the real issue. This cocker/S needs a home: Can  we give this baby a home? Yes or No! End of story.

[Cob-Web]

Tell me if I'm wrong, but the purpose of this "Rescue Forum" is to find homes for the unfortunate cockers who find themselfs in the horror movies, that need no explanation and is the reason the are at the "Last chance Kennel" and that is what  being on COL is about.

Our job, and I mean all cocker lovers, is to make sure that what they have seen before, never happens again. Preferably, by means of being given a forever home, preferably, through COL. 

This rescue forum shouldn't be about all our procratinations and theories on cockers and what we can cope with and all the 'If only"? Or I  want a rescue but .... or we do, but....

 Forget what WE, and I include myself, feel... And start to concentrate on the real issue. This cocker/S needs a home: Can  we give this baby a home? Yes or No! End of story.

This is a discussion forum - hence discussion just *happens*, sometimes...........

[dorrit]

Discussion....I agree. But surely if its on therescue thread. the discussion should be about the "Issue"? Rescue?? I truely understand all the emotions that COL MEMBERS show, but sometime I feel the real purpose of the resuce thread gets lost....And Like it or not, that doesn't find a home for all the cockers on the rescue page....If someone wants to discuss a general subject, be it, about recue, or puppy farm dogs, then use the genral forum?? Or maybe I've missed the purpose of the COL rescue thread??

[Cob-Web]

Discussion....I agree. But surely if its on therescue thread. the discussion should be about the "Issue"? Rescue?? I truely understand all the emotions that COL MEMBERS show, but sometime I feel the real purpose of the resuce thread gets lost....And Like it or not, that doesn't find a home for all the cockers on the rescue page....If someone wants to discuss a general subject, be it, about recue, or puppy farm dogs, then use the genral forum?? Or maybe I've missed the purpose of the COL rescue thread??

Personally, I've always been very impressed with the way Penny and the other Mods have moderated these boards.....allowing discussion to take place, but not get out of hand and detract too much from the initial issue 

COL is not a rescue organisation in it's own right - the rescue board is a place to highlight the plight of cockers in need of homes that we may have seen.......it is not COL responsibility to find the dogs a home........